From: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org (LuckyTown Digest) To: luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Subject: LuckyTown Digest V6 #331 Reply-To: luckytown@luckytown.org Sender: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Errors-To: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Precedence: bulk LuckyTown Digest Monday, June 7 1999 Volume 06 : Number 331 NOTE: Sale/trade posts should be emailed to luckytown-ads, *NOT* to luckytown. That includes tix wanted/tix grovels, post them to luckytown-ads, please. Contents: Madrid, June 7th (setlist) [Fernando Seco ] Ticket clubs - Boston shows [Joe Kunecki ] Favorable TM Post [DAVID BAUM ] Get together in Leipzig [TGL ] Re: LuckyTown Digest V6 #330 ["Timothy Dickens" ] ESB evolution [Eric Douglas ] Soundboard [mbrogger@pcit.com] Elliott, Bruce and Patti ["Carole Mortier" ] quiz for tickets [Jonas Engardt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 01:33:55 +0200 From: Fernando Seco Subject: Madrid, June 7th (setlist) Hi everybody, I just came home from La Peineta stadium here in Madrid. The setlist for Madrid, June 7th: My Love Will Not Let You Down Prove It All Night Two Hearts Darkness on the Edge of Town Darlington County Factory The River Youngstown Murder Inc Badlands Out in the Street 10th Ave. + It's Alright + Red Headed Woman Loose Ends [YES!!!] Lion's Den !!!! Working on the Highway The Ghost of Tom Joad Jungleland !!!!! Light of Day MY HOMETOWN (premiere in this tour!) Hungry Heart Born to Run Cadillac Ranch Thunder Road If I Should Fall Behind Land of Hope and Dreams The show lasted from 9:30 to 12:20. It's 1:30 now and I have to work tomorrow, so a detailed report has to wait a few hours. But it was INCREDIBLE, much better than Zaragoza! Again GREAT voice and GREAT mood. It's ALL RIGHT to have a good time!! Fernando Seco fseco@iai.csic.es http://www.iai.csic.es/users/fseco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:45:07 -0400 From: Joe Kunecki Subject: Ticket clubs - Boston shows There has been some talk of a "ticket club" at the Fleet Center in Boston. This club would allow you to advance purchase tickets for concerts, before they went on sale to the general public. If anyone out there remembers the Wallingford, CT show at the Oakdale Theater on the Tom Joad tour, it might be best to keep this in mind. The Oakdale (along with the Meadows Music Theater and the Hartford Civic Center) has a similar ticket club. When Bruce played the Oakdale there was some talk, at first, that the show would not happen due to the ticket club. The way I understood it, the Springsteen organization did not want to make this show available to the ticket club. What ended up happening is, (and the use the words of someone in the industry) Bruce "bought the hall" for the show and put tickets on sale themselves. So, even though it was an Oakdale show, the ticket club did not have access to these tickets. I would assume something similar would happen in Boston. Jim Koplic, the concert promoter in Connecticut, has said that he didn't feel that Bruce would allow the ticket club to be used for any of the potential shows in Connecticut. See you in Jersey (7/26), Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:43:13 +0300 (IDT) From: DAVID BAUM Subject: Favorable TM Post Hi. So I get an email from my parents saying that Ticketmaster called regarding a certain order that I had placed and for me to call their customer service number between 9 and 5 this week or they were going to get rid of my tickets by Friday. Needless to say, I had no idea what they were talking about b/c I had already received all my tickets (except for my tenth row ones on August 4). Also, the confirmation number that I was given did not match any of the three ones that I had. So, just to make sure that my tenth row tickets were not being taken, I called TM and found out that an internet purchase that I had made which I never got a confirmation for, were being held for me until I gave them my credit card number. I was shocked. Suffice it to say, I now have an extra set of tickets for August 2, 1999 (behind the stage). I guess for every TM screwup I have had to deal with, I finally have been rewarded. David PS I will probably sell my tickets for August 2 at face value (well for $50 a piece b/c of TM charge plus my phone bill from Israel plus the UPS shipping that I used] "Get busy living or get busy dying. That's g-ddamned right!" -Ellis Boyd "Red" Redding, Shawshank Redemption "You can't win friends with salad." -Bart and Homer Simpson "Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him." -Ben "Obi-Wan" Kenobi, Jedi Knight "This is the land of peace, justice, and no mercy... and it pointed down this little dirt road that said Thunder Road." -Bruce Springsteen 19/9/78 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 10:43:03 -0700 From: TGL Subject: Get together in Leipzig Dear Luckytowners, I didn't see a post about a get together up to now, so I decided to organize one. We could meet on Sunday, June 13 at 2.00 PM for a snack at 'Bagel Brothers' Restaurant, which is located in the center of Leipzig close to the main station. The address ist Nikolaistr. 42, 04109 Leipzig. (The Nikolaistr. is running from the station to the very center.) They offer a "Luckytown special": One free soft drink with any bagel you buy. (One per person) You can visit them at http://www.bagelbrothers.com Please drop me a note if you wish to attend. TGL P.S.: A map of the inner city can be found at http://www.leipzig.de/amtsdaten/alle/Amt.nsf/9f453ea853e40192412566da002bf645/342d6eb01cd9449bc125670e005297d2?OpenDocument If that doesn't work go to http://www.leipzig.de, then "Suche" and type "Stadtplan". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:00:44 +0100 From: "Timothy Dickens" Subject: Re: LuckyTown Digest V6 #330 Hi there Born Again Vol 3 was a cheap Australian rip off of the Dress rehearsal broadcast, based on, I believe , the Down in Hollywood set . Recording date 5th june 1992 at the warner centre, Los Angeles. Hope this helps Tim Dickens ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:35:27 EST From: "Amy Winston" Subject: sorry to be so slow, and other thoughts I recently (sort of) put some extras up on LT. I want and will try to get with everyone who emailed me, but it may not be possible; I was deluged with over a hundred responses. I did not reply immediately to anyone for several reasons, and want to explain, as an apology for adding to the stress that goes with dying, aching, to see Bruce. 1. I am not on email every day. 2. I am teaching summer session and it is brutal - lots of work, and i am a novice. So my priorities are there. tickets are happening at an inconvenient time (I know, sounds like heresy to complain about it...I'm not, believe me.) 3. I have had to turn it over to my husband, to get my work done. 4. I am waiting to hear back from people myself, to see if trades/sales are going to work. It took a while to match up dates, etc. 5. TM changed some seats and dates on me from my original order. So I had to straighten things out. And I wanted to get the tickets in my hand, as well. 6. I am in the process of moving; things are very busy for me. General methodology: I tried to work on a first reply basis. I emailed to some who had posted "looking'" if I thought I had a match, but i went with who emailed first. I made a couple of subjective decisions that considered personal circumstances/needs of people, and also of relative ease of exchange. It was also easiest to serve people with fewer restrictions about where the seats were, etc.I will try to respond to all as soon as i can. Having said that, I hope that I can air a concern (without being attacked or sounding like I am attacking) in response to several digests ago. But first: Does anyone listen to NPR? Living on Earth last week (or was it the one prior?) played the fist riffs of Frankie as their lead-in music. And a commentator spoke to the meaning of live Bruce following the London show he saw. it was the only thing getting me out of bed at 5am last Friday.:) Now. (This is going to be long, too long.) I want to speak to the digest about something. I have been on the digest for several years, since around Aug 95. I have sold extras before at face value - they were extras because my brother - previously a fairweather fan but since converted - bailed on me, leaving extra tickets. I bought for some friends tickets at face value. I have traded successfully and with a nice person who let me know that he was disappointed with the quality (I have since upgraded my sound system!). In short, I'm familiar with the cast of characters who post often, the discussions, cool and ridiculous. I am grateful to LT/KVK for the forum. I have always spent a lot of time (including time off work) and money (gas, long distance calls) and energy in getting bruce tickets. When they go on sale, if I'm not camped out the day before wristbands go on sale, I dial ALL day, every TM number I know, all across the country until I get a pair of nosebleeds, even. You get trhe picture. I have never paid more than face (ok, once I spent less than the face value of this tour's tickets to sit in the upper tier and way back in Worcester Centrum...I think I must have been karmically bankrupt for that show). I call year- round, read Backstreets, and LT to make sure there's no bruce activity i'm unaware of. I have no privileged connections and have been dirt poor for the last 16 years. But, I always have enough for a ticket in the bank, even if the collection agencies are calling..ok it's under the mattress. I think persistence is the key. It's not greed. I travel to see one night in as many cities as I can get to. As much effort as I put into it, and force my husband to put into it, and my brother, and in annoying any potentially connected people I meet (nothing yet), i think I am not being elitist, but dedicated. People didn't fault deadheads for going hundreds of times. I have hitchhiked 100s of miles alone to get there before I had a car. It concerns me that people who are shut out complain about people going more than once or hording extras to sell/trade. The digest after I posted extras for sale there was - I'm sure it wasn't directed at me, but it insults the tone of community and comraderie that normally exists on LT - a very rude overgeneralization about people who buy extras for sale or trade. This is my response: It says, think about the different situations that different people are in. I was afraid of getting shut out. I am stuck in the midwest temporarily. Normally, NJ is only a 9 hour ride for me :), but driveable. I would drive from out here, but like I say above, I am buried in work right now. So, I got my husband - the greatest - to take a day off work, drive 6 hours to the closest TM outlet, get shut out for a wristband and drive 6 hours back - gas, mileage, lost work time, offending the boss, etc. He then dialed on Sat, long distance, for 8 hours, giving up another day of work or, alternatively, a saturday (more valuable). He got a few. I dialed 9 hours and got a few. We are both buying for 4: us and my brother and his now-ex girlfriend (a main reason why we wound up with extras - they broke up the following week). My brother also took off a day of work for us, drove 3 hours to NJ to TM to get a wristband. He returned 16 hours later, only to repeat the drill (the same drive, gas, wake up early, etc) to stand in line for 15 hours to be the 10th-to-last person to get us nosebleed seats. And, we aren't going every night (another gripe), just to 3 or 4. Unfair to trade pairs/seats for Boston or other shows after all that time, phone bill, gas, money, etc? I reiterate: we each were lucky to get a few tickets. Is that selfish, or determined and lucky? How many people dialed past 2, 3, not to mention up to 8 and 9? How many people have called the CAA and TM every week since January? I do this because I want to see Bruce. Just like everyone else. You wind up with extras, because you are buying for family, friends, etc. Not just to be selfish. Some people end up able to go the nights you get, sometimes not. Comments about elitism and selfishness are selfish themselves, not to mention divisive. I NEVER speak on LT. And look what I've subjected you all to now! I hope I don't sound defensive, because I think i have conducted myself appropriately, except for being too slow to respond to many's requests. Please refrain from making accusatory-sounding generalizations. If you want to suggest that people modify their behavior and spend more time redistributing tickets, please be respectful and thoughtful of the various situations they are confronting. Maybe constructively suggest a productive protocol that would help tickets get into fans' hands. It made me consider auctioning off on ebay or whatever those flea market sites are (I'm not very web oriented). It also made me reconsider and go to another show. I am swayed by the guy that wants to take his kids, and the guy that wants to sit with his girlfiiend or wife, and with the women fans who are as crazy as I am. (Isn't that an essential Bruce chord?) And I really tried to help out where I could. i tried to help those shut out, but I went for exchanges that were hassle-free, for our convenience (as in location nearby, etc.). And I admit, I was moved by the offer of a tape. I can't believe I'm even taking the time to express this, it is probably not even that important to most. People are self-interested, but not all mercilessly greedy. Especially when it comes to Bruce. Like I said, I will try to get with everyone about their requests. At least, when we are thru trading, I will post to that effect, so you know. Thanks for your patience, for listening, and waiting on me. Please don't think I am out of control on this issue, but as a caring Bruce fan, I felt compelled to illuminate and enlighten here. A lot gets invested in the ticket process. As you know. PEACE, Amy W Sorry for the length. Also, I have no ideas who wrote those remarks that struck such a chord, and even if I did I would have no animosity toward you. Of course, your arguments have *some* validity, just not in all cases, as was implicit. I hope that no one takes this personal, but just thinks before they assume people are mean and greedy. That's the market, and the corporation monopolizing it. Not the fan. hope you aren't all annoyed too much with my lengthy exposition. Hope I don't regret sending this. You are welcome to email responses critiquing my position; kevin Kinder may want you to do so privately. I'll probably read it by next week:) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:10:06 +0200 From: P.Schoefboeck@mobilkom.at Subject: "Cynthia" & "Glory Days": Where And When? Hi all! Can somebody out there tell me where and when "Cynthia" and "Glory Days" were rehearsed during soundchecks on the current tour? I need this info for my private statistics. Thanks in advance & Greetings from Vienna, Austria - - Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:57:10 -0400 From: "Donna Kahwaty" Subject: How To Meet At The Meadowlands I think the best way for any or all of us to meet at any given concert is to choose a parking area, say C between rows x and y, and try to park there or as close to it as possible. If you can't, just come on over before the shows anyway. Right now, I can't remember how the rows go there, but any help would be appreciated or any other suggestions on the easier way to find each other at the shows. Donna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:36:50 EDT From: Keroz3@aol.com Subject: Arnhem Get Together I will be in Arnhem for the show on the 20th and I want to know if there are going to be any get togethers either before or after the show. My girlfriend and I will be staying staying at a hotel called the West End Hotel, supposedly about 10 minutes away from thr arena driving. Anything going on? Please email me at michaelz@hwhpr.com Thanks- Michael Zorek ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:08:40 -0400 From: "Pami, Anthony" Subject: Sound / Ticket Dump / Before the Fame! All 1) I know all the venues are likely to vary as to the sound at the shows, but I'm curious to hear about the experiences of the concert goers at the European shows as it relates to the sound. I'm concerned that the sound will be poor in the Meadowlands in certain upper tier sections. 2) Have there been ticket dumps at the European shows that have been sold out. I would think the likelihood of ticket dumps at the Jersey shows is very good. Any thoughts? 3) It was interesting to see the Bruce Springsteen "Before the Fame" disc at Sam Goody today. Isn't this an illegal set? Anthony "For what are we, without hope in our hearts that someday we'll drink from God's blessed waters." ***************************************************************************** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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Yes, he is the core of the band right now, but this is not to say another drummer wouldn't be as welcome, or let's just say half as good. If this is a reunion tour, then that would be a little strange, but to me, this isn't just a reunion tour, it is a tour of Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, whatever form that takes. So if Max wants to go back to Conan (probably a good move from his point of view), Bruce can find another drummer. Of course, many fans (myself included) would be heartbroken to see that happen, but it is not without precedent, and Bruce knows what he's doing enough to make sure that the band doesn't go to pieces without Max. Maybe he'll even advertise in the Village Voice again!! Thanks to all for the continuing stories of the Europe shows! I can't wait for July 15, where I think Spirit in the Night, My Hometown, Rosalita, Racin' in the Street and other "Jersey" songs will make an appearance!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:04:57 -0400 From: mbrogger@pcit.com Subject: Soundboard Does anybody know where the soundboard/booth will be for the New Jersey shows? Somebody is offering me tickets for the 7/24 show but I don't want to be obstructed. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:39:14 +0200 From: "Carole Mortier" Subject: Elliott, Bruce and Patti Hi lucky luckytowners ... Would someone have pictures of Bruce & Elliott Murphy on Hungry Heart ( Ghent and/or Paris) ? If you know where I can find some ( ex: web site or other), please, e-mail me. In my opinion, but sure that I'm not alone and to answer to some of your messages, Patti is a really great singer and her voice is deep and beautiful. Besides, I'm waiting her second album. And I almost regret she did'nt sing entirely her song ! May be the next year... because of course I hope Bruce & ESB will come again here ! France is "the" land of hope and dream ... :-)))) Carole ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:53:05 +0200 From: Jonas Engardt Subject: quiz for tickets Swedens largest daily newspaper Dagens Nyheter (Daily News) is running a 13 question quiz on the Boss at their website (www.dn.se). 5 lucky winners will win 2 VIP-tickets (whatever that means) each to the June 24 show in Stockholm. The contest is unfortunately only open to the papers subscribers. The questions are: 1. What is the first track on Greetings? 2. Which is the first record Bruce was a producer on? 3. What is Steve van Zandts other nickname besides "Miami Steve"? 4. Who replaced Steve van Zandt in the E Street Band in 1984? 5. What is the name of the motion picture based on "Highway Patrolman"? 6. Who was the first to record and release "Beacause the Night"? 7. On which single was "Roulette" first released as a B-side? 8. Why is Johnny 99 called Johnny 99? 9. What year was Bruce inducted toThe Rock n Roll Hall of Fame? 10. What is Bruces middle name? 11. What is the name of the first band Bruce played in? 12. What 60?s star did Bruce help with his comeback in 1981? 13. In what city did the ongoing tour premiere? How about question number 10? Does anybody know? In the contest you are also asked to name who you most would like to see sing together with Bruce onstage. I think that would be me...Atlantic City perhaps? Jonas Engardt ------------------------------ End of LuckyTown Digest V6 #331 ******************************* ********************************************************************* ** LuckyTown WWW URL ** The LuckyTown FAQ, back issues, web-based subscription/unsubscription, and many other things can be found on the LuckyTown WWW Page: http://www.luckytown.org ** LuckyTown mailing list addresses ** You can send email to go into the next LuckyTown Digest to: luckytown@luckytown.org You can send email to go into the next LuckyTown-Ads Digest to: luckytown-ads@luckytown.org Any questions for the list admin should be emailed to: owner-luckytown@luckytown.org To unsubscribe, send email to majordomo@luckytown.org with message body: unsubscribe luckytown-digest To get further information on how to subscribe/unsubscribe/change your subscription address, as well as the other available commands, send email to majordomo@luckytown.org with message body: help ********************************************************************* The contents of this digest are not necessarily approved by the list admin.