From: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org (LuckyTown Digest) To: luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Subject: LuckyTown Digest V9 #17 Reply-To: luckytown@luckytown.org Sender: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Errors-To: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Precedence: bulk LuckyTown Digest Friday, June 7 2002 Volume 09 : Number 017 NOTE: Sale/trade posts should be emailed to luckytown-ads, *NOT* to luckytown. That includes tix wanted/tix grovels, post them to luckytown-ads, please. Contents: Guitar chords website [Josef.Schrefel@bene.com] Brendan O'Brien: Producers & Engineers Article ["Bernardo, Thomas" ] RE: Nice try paul! ["Don Carver" ] New Album and Tour ["Michael De Bruin" ] Nice try indeed ["Paul West" ] Re: LuckyTown Digest V9 #16 [jimmyconway75@aol.com] Re: LuckyTown Digest V9 #16 [Audio2575@aol.com] Darkness Anniversary ["Kevin M. Maloney" ] RE: LuckyTown Digest V9 #16 [CV_27 ] 'The Rising', 911 [Shawn Redden ] Re: voting rights [DrOBoogie1@aol.com] Great people on Lucky Town! ["Fabio Piccirillo" ] A little more on Voting Rights [Hjburt@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:02:19 +0200 From: Josef.Schrefel@bene.com Subject: Guitar chords website Hi. Just a short note to let everybody know that my site with chords can be found now at: http://members.aon.at/paddington/springsteen/ Kind regards Josef ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:03:22 -0400 From: "Bernardo, Thomas" Subject: Brendan O'Brien: Producers & Engineers Article Anyone interested in learning more about Brendan O'Brien's approach to the craft of producing should read the four-part interview found at the following link: http://www.musician.com/feature/showfeature.asp?feature`&cat=recording&sub cat=producersengineers&page=1 It's an interesting read. The guy strikes me as someone genuinely conscientious about his work. I look forward to reading upcoming interviews and/or comments by O'Brien regarding his working relationship with Bruce Springsteen and the new album. Enjoy! Best, Tom B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:05:16 -0700 From: Icon Publishing Subject: Re: The lyrics to "I'm Turning into Elvis" Re: The lyrics to "I'm Turning into Elvis": http://www.xs4all.nl/~maroen/engels/lyrics/imturnin.htm "I'M TURNING INTO ELVIS (beginning cut) ...kissed the babysitter She screamed and I told her it was just the beast in me And on my way out of the house I shot out my TV I went down to the corner luncheonette and said Sally 'fried peanut butter and banana will do(?)' I'm turning into Elvis and there's nothing I can do I threw out my wife and family I took off my wedding ring I told my friends and neighbors to refer to me now as 'King' I put a chainlink fence around my ranch house and on the gate a sign that reads 'Graceland II' I'm turning into Elvis and there's nothing I can do I visited my mama's grave and I headed out to Hollywood and I signed a picture with MGM I play a rebellious beachboy racecar driver who fucks a nun in the end In the last scene I whip out my big guitar and show her a little Memphis-style kung-fu I'm turning into Elvis and there's nothing I can do But I drove on straight to Vegas and I stopped in the first old stripper bar Found me a little hooker that looked just like Ann-Margaret and we rumba'd in my sports car Well me and my drinking buddies turned my lovin' home into a frikkin' zoo I'm turning into Elvis and there's nothing I can do Well he came to me last night in a dream looking just like he did in '57 He said 'Son that guitar is a wonderful thing but it can be the living devils' friend On the other hand there's sex-starved women, millions of dollars, and anything you want to do.' I'm turning into Elvis and there's nothing I can do" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 16:44:35 -0500 From: Jim Van Horn Subject: new album I am certainly anxiously awaiting the new album. I see no reason to prejudge the thing. My only complaint [really a disappointment] is that I was sure that "Code of Silence" would be on it. I really liked that song. On the other hand I think [if I am wrong I'm sure that someone will point it out] that this is the first album with Scialfa, Lofgren and Van Zandt together on it, in other words the complete, full and running on all cylinders. How anyone could NOT be looking forward to that is a mystery to me. Has anyone heard of the progress of Patti's album. I never thought I would see the day when someone would be even slower than Bruce in making an album--of course I realize that she is also raising a family at the same time--but still? Anyone heard any rumour[which I'm sure is all that they will be at this stage] about a tour in the future. If they follow the pattern it will start in Europe and get to my part of the country [Memphis, St. Louis, Kansas City, Tulsa/Oklahoma City? either in late Spring or early Summer. Jim Van Horn jvanhorn@postmark.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:56:47 +0000 From: "Don Carver" Subject: RE: Nice try paul! Amnesty International is non-political??? Yeah, and Baskin Robbins ice cream is a non-dessert. Reality check, testing, testing!!! I share many beliefs with Amnesty International and have worked to progress their cause, and I know they wish their agenda could avoid being political, but it can't. If you have an opinion on political prisoners, it is, by definition, a political opinion. Here's how Merriam Webster defines political: 1 a : of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government b : of, relating to, or concerned with the making as distinguished from the administration of governmental policy 2 : of, relating to, involving, or involved in politics and especially party politics 3 : organized in governmental terms 4 : involving or charged or concerned with acts against a government or a political system Yes, almost everything we do is a political act by this definition. So what??? Anyone who thinks that politics, religion and art must be separated has fallen down the rabbit hole. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:16:01 +0200 From: "Michael De Bruin" Subject: New Album and Tour Will they release the new album everywhere on the same date or is this just the US release date? I reckon the new tour will start in October up to december and then from Februari on to June again. Regards Michael website: www.kdnw31238.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk [text/html attachment deleted] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:40:55 +0100 From: "Paul West" Subject: Nice try indeed 'Must reply to Paul West's comments in V 9 .15 to mine which was in the previous Digest to that. "Bruce get interview by a puppet- happy now? " Thanks for flaming me Paul but to me your argument fall's down in all department's.' Actually, it's Michael, not Paul. Secondly, I didn't flame you - I merely replied to your post. There's a world of difference. Regardless, allow me to retort. 1) Amnesty International is a non political, so to me Bruce wasn't making any stand apart from what Amnesty stood for. Of course Amnesty is non-political. That wasn't the point. You originally spoke about letting Sting and Bono appear on pointless shows and save the planet. My point was merely that Bruce, to a greater or lesser extent, can be associated with the aforementioned dudes. 2) His comment on 5th November .1990; "I dont know what you guys thought about last night but I thought it was pretty frighting " was made AFTER the votes had been counted NOT before, so to me that 10 seconds speech doesn't really count as political persuasion, and if people think a 10 second comment from a person who's been in the headlights all his life is political, then I would say your just clutching at straw's in a big, big way! Well, no, not really. I wasn't trying to say that Bruce is a massively political figure. I was simply trying to draw a parallel of sorts. 3) food bank? its not actually "save the rain forest look at me on the news" is it? Again, that's not the point. You originally spoke about Bruce not trying to influence what charities people should give to. All I did was show that to not be true. The scale of it is irrelevant in this context. 'As for not enjoying Darkness/Nabraska/G.T.Joad, I must presume you didn't enjoy the T.G.O.T.J tour as long as you wasn't one of the few who was shouting out for Ramrod & 10th Avenue. I can respect your views but I do think your missing out big time - much, much more to Bruce then Ramrod!' To begin with, I didn't say that I didn't enjoy Darkness. Far from it, it is clearly an album stuffed full of wonderful material. I personally find the production to be flat and the performances of the songs themselves to be many times better live, but that's another story altogether! I enjoy a handful of the Nebraska songs certainly. As for Joad, I personally think there are a few songs on that album that are absolutely dreadful I didn't attend a Joad show - not really my cup of tea to be honest. Acoustic songs, for me, are ok in moderation. Plus, from the boots I've heard, Bruce had a tendency to lapse into that mumbling/warbling twang that tends to butcher the more delicate songs. Cheers, Mike. [text/html attachment deleted] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:46:48 EDT From: jimmyconway75@aol.com Subject: Re: LuckyTown Digest V9 #16 in LuckyTown Digest V9 #16, ZOOTV92@aol.com writes: <<>> One of their producers is a big Bruce fan and contributes regularly to RMAS. <<>> The other Bruce tune was "Sad Eyes," back in the '98-'99 season. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:22:49 EDT From: Audio2575@aol.com Subject: Re: LuckyTown Digest V9 #16 In a message dated 6/5/02 11:05:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org writes: > I just got a dts receiver with the 5:1 speaker setup and dvd player. > What are the best dvd's for sound quality that Bruce has put out? > Any chance we'll ever get a dvd of a whole concert from the Darkness > or River tour? > The answers are: Anthology, Blood Brothers and Live IN NYC and NO! Mike [text/html attachment deleted] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:50:21 -0400 From: "Kevin M. Maloney" Subject: Darkness Anniversary If I am not mistaken, today (6/6) is the 24th anniversary of the release of the greatest album of all time. Listen to it in its entirety, preferably with all lights out and with headphones on, and remember again the power and majesty of music. Kevin M. Maloney Kevin@Maloneys.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 18:55:41 -0400 From: CV_27 Subject: RE: LuckyTown Digest V9 #16 In regards to the posts that are already appearing about the NEW ALBUM (!!), I just wanted to say I don't really care what kind of an album it is...happy, sad, upbeat, slow, pre 9-11, post 9-11...I'm just happy there's an album coming out! Talk about Countin' on a Miracle! Sorry, I couldn't help it : ) Get the cd players ready! Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:11:26 +0000 From: Shawn Redden Subject: 'The Rising', 911 >From: "Bernardo, Thomas" >Subject: Premature Takes on the "The Rising" > >All we know -- based on Bruce's recent comments -- is >that a number of the songs were written in the context of post-9/11 and were >affected by those events on some emotional level. Not that the project is >*about* 9/11, but that it has been *affected* by 9/11. It's that important >distinction that separates jingoistic, trendy topical songs from meaningful >work that has the ingredients to stand the test of time. Very well said, Mr. Bernardo. I was talking with my brother a few months ago about if, when, and how good a new album would be, and he said something that has stuck with me: "I doubt that you'll ever hear him play 'American Skin' again." This is both unfortunate and troubling, and I hope it's not true (whatever the NYPD did on 911 does not erase all they did prior to it, imo), however I see the reasoning behind the statement. The point: EVERYTHING, especially to a native (or near native), that Bruce will do in the immediate future will run through a 911 matrix. It's unavoidable. That is not to say his work suffered any more than it did in 1982 with Nebraska when, one could argue, he wrote an album elaborating upon the troubling cultural phenomenon he mentioned in Tempe on 5 November 1980. Finally, let's have some faith Bruce, too. If he can capture the spirit of America today (as he did under similar circumstances in 1982 and 1984), it will be by countering (rather than accepting or embracing) the unflinching, unthinking, and unproductive patriotism with a genuine love of and concern for America that both hails its achievements and critiques its shortcomings. I envision this album to do that very thing, and I believe that, as a consequence, it will be a profoundly successful record. Best, Shawn Redden ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:40:45 EDT From: DrOBoogie1@aol.com Subject: Re: voting rights << Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:20:44 -0400 From: Dave Marsh Subject: voting rights As a resolute nonvoter myself, I only wish that ALL pop stars and similar figures restricted their recommendations on elections to the day after. In the present system, smaller turnouts are good for two reasons: a) if you vote, you're responsible for everything the SOB in question does to betray the human species; b) they leave less doubt about the elites who REALLY have their interests represented in these contests among all-too-equals. Of course, I voted for Ralph Nader, so what do I know? (Betterthan to choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledummer) >> While Mr. Marsh is entitled to his opinions, which I do not share, there is one other item he missed: Smaller voter turnouts tend to favor Republican candidates. Historically, the bigger the turnout, the better the Democrats do, since they typically have a wider base of voters -- several parts of which do not usually turn out. It also explains why Republicans resisted voter reform measures like Motor Voter. So there is a political consequence to smaller voter turnouts (according to the materials from my graduate political science studies). I must also disagree that voting for a particular candidate makes you responsible for any and all actions that person may undertake while in office. No one can predict the kind of malfeasance we've seen from politicians. Personally, I think voting is a civic responsibility, and everyone should vote. People in different parts of the world are dying for the very right Mr. Marsh discards, as a "resolute nonvoter." IMO, voting is the least you can do. Does the system always work? Of course not, as our current resident proves. But it is the system we have, and its not going anywhere. You don't use it, you lose. Sam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:03:20 +0200 From: "Fabio Piccirillo" Subject: Great people on Lucky Town! I've just read the message from Tom Bernardo, and I think that he has explained the whole question masterly. I refer to all the unjustified rumors about the new record, and to all those who thinks they can analyze inside out a work from its title: it's unbelievable how lots of people elder than me haven't understood what kind of man Bruce is, yet. That's why I think Tom has got straight to the core of the question ,and that's what I mean when I say that who makes this Digest so interesting to read are people like him! Bye! Bossfan83 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:16:35 EDT From: Hjburt@aol.com Subject: A little more on Voting Rights >I wonder what the percentage of people is that have >become better people in the community after listening to the aforementioned >albums. 0.1%? If that? I think you're giving Bruce's music a touch too >much credit to be perfectly honest. and >As a resolute nonvoter myself, I only wish that ALL pop stars and >similar figures restricted their recommendations on elections to the day >after. >In the present system, smaller turnouts are good for two reasons: >a) if you vote, you're responsible for everything the SOB in question >does to betray the human species; >b) they leave less doubt about the elites who REALLY have their >interests represented in these contests among all-too-equals. >Of course, I voted for Ralph Nader, so what do I know? In my point of view, the world is a much tougher place if at the end of the day you find that you have no hope. You need information, from a variety sources, to take the action that you can to try to make the place better, inch by inch. I can say that for the past several years I have made a point to write out a $100 dollar check to the Illinois Valley Food Pantry. I don't think I would have gotten to that point if not for the cumulative effect of hearing about hunger issues through my involvment with the artist. I've seen Bonnie Raitt shows where she takes time out to present some ideas, Indians or environmentalist causes, and I am better off for having been exposed than closed. So am I the 0.1 percent that has been effected? I am even more emotional about the concepts of freedom, voting, and responsibility. If I had ran a poll on 9/12/01, I believe 99% of the Americans responding would have agreed that the idea of America and American Freedoms were attacked the day before. But 3 months later in the Illinois Primary, only 22% of the voting population got off their ass' to exercise their right and I believe responsibility to cast a simple ballot. We have the freedom to write and say what we want. We have the freedom to go out sell the same to make a buck. Far too many people take for granted this ability to have a certain amount of control over our own lives. In some European countries minimum service in the military is a requirement of citizenship. Am I scared and concerned? You bet. Is there a degree of futility in all of this? No question. Further popping my cork the day after the Primary, was the following question and concern: If 78% of the voters didn't bother to take 10 minutes to cast a ballot, then what percentage of a comparable population did not read newspaper the next day to learn that 2/3 rds of the Larson Ice Shelf in the Antarctic, which had been place for 12,000 years, had melted in to the ocean? So maybe I'm stupid for having hope. I wrote a letter to my two senators and congressman. Inch by inch is all you can do. Doing something is better than doing nothing. J. Burt PS: And while we are at it, screw Bono too. Who the hell does he think he is trying to make the world a little better place above and beyond the art he creates? ] ------------------------------ End of LuckyTown Digest V9 #17 ****************************** ********************************************************************* ** LuckyTown WWW URL ** The LuckyTown FAQ, back issues, web-based subscription/unsubscription, and many other things can be found on the LuckyTown WWW Page: http://www.luckytown.org ** LuckyTown mailing list addresses ** You can send email to go into the next LuckyTown Digest to: luckytown@luckytown.org You can send email to go into the next LuckyTown-Ads Digest to: luckytown-ads@luckytown.org Any questions for the list admin should be emailed to: owner-luckytown@luckytown.org To unsubscribe, send email to majordomo@luckytown.org with message body: unsubscribe luckytown-digest To get further information on how to subscribe/unsubscribe/change your subscription address, as well as the other available commands, send email to majordomo@luckytown.org with message body: help ********************************************************************* The contents of this digest are not necessarily approved by the list admin.