From: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org (LuckyTown Digest) To: luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Subject: LuckyTown Digest V9 #40 Reply-To: luckytown@luckytown.org Sender: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Errors-To: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Precedence: bulk LuckyTown Digest Wednesday, July 17 2002 Volume 09 : Number 040 NOTE: Sale/trade posts should be emailed to luckytown-ads, *NOT* to luckytown. That includes tix wanted/tix grovels, post them to luckytown-ads, please. Contents: the single [Pakuha@aol.com] LA ticket experience ["Palogruto,Carmen" ] Asbury Park club scene article [jp ] re: GA "Seating" ain't bad at all. [Miles Goosens ] Re: GA floor has been the main rule in Europe for decades and it works ["] ticket prices [Hanaweih@aol.com] GA [Jeff ] Ticketmaster in D.C. [robin klein ] [none] ["Dave DiCarlo" ] Right on, Jennifer! [M C ] RE: LuckyTown Digest V9 #39 ["O'Hearn, Chris" ] Lyrics at Bottom of Video Screen [JZellers@dhhs.state.nh.us] Thoughts ["Curtis, Robert L. LT (NASWI)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:06:51 EDT From: Pakuha@aol.com Subject: the single Like many, I didn't plan on buying the CD single of The Rising, though like many I expected hearing it on my stereo would vastly improve my feel for it when compared to my computer speakers... But when I saw it was priced at just $1.99 it was on in my car in minutes... Smart move on the pricing. No reason to rip off buyers, since the majority of us will be getting the CD on the 30th. ANd yes, it's a lot easier to appreciate it with the volume at 8 or 9... pakuha@aol.com [text/html attachment deleted] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:46:57 -0700 From: "Palogruto,Carmen" Subject: LA ticket experience In response to Jim from DC's comments about getting tickets for the MCI Center I had a slightly similar, though more positive, experience here in Southern California. I was 3rd in line at a Palm Springs TM outlet. There were only 5 of us in line when tickets went on sale. The TM operator had us in the door by 9:55 and had our orders "taken" a few minutes before the sale time. He worked the keyboard as fast as he could and immediately pulled up two sets of 4 GAs. When I got my turn I requested a pair hoping for lowers or possibly GAs. TM spit out a pair in the upper colonade, which I took. I let the next two people behind me go ahead figuring the best was gone and I was only originally planning for a pair. They each got 4 in the upper colonade, opposite sides of the arena. I asked the TM guy to try for my other two and he pulled up a pair of GAs at 10:08. It really doesn't make sense how TM allocates or distributes the tickets. You would have thought that all of the GAs would have been gone but by a stroke of luck they appeared. But more dumbfounding is that fact that no lowers appeared anywhere. I was fortunate to get tickets for DC and Detroit via the internet and DC immediately went to 200 level rear by 4 minutes into the sale. I got a pair of GAs for Detroit about 7 minutes into the sale. Tickets for NJ came about 11 minutes into the sale upper rears. Again no lowers appeared anywhere. I am eternally grateful for the tickets but it does make one wonder. Let's hope the Philly sale lasts a few minutes longer. Carmen ____________________________________________ Carmen A. Palogruto Graphics Specialist - Marketing Communications VIASYS Healthcare - Critical Care Division phone * 760-778-7272 fax * 760-778-7295 mailto:CPalogruto@ViasysCriticalCare.com http://www.ViasysCriticalCare.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:54:47 -0400 From: "rockcat" Subject: re: first leg tour thoughts > With this initial leg of the tour being 36 shows in 36 cities, I'm wondering if we'll see something we've never seen from Bruce before: the exact same setlist played 36 times in a row... Perhaps you should check the setlists from the '88 Tunnel Of Love tour...virtually the identical show night after night. And there were multiple shows in various cities! He really didn't vary it at all until much, much later on the tour. After seeing the first show of that tour, I remember thinking it was the best setlist ever (Adam Raised A Cain, Roulette, et al)...little did I know that every show thereafter was going to be exactly the same. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:47:52 -0400 From: jp Subject: Asbury Park club scene article Great article about the rebirth of Asbury Park's live music scene in the Boston Herald. http://www2.bostonherald.com/lifestyle/travel/asbu07142002.htm - -- jp AOL IM "Plunkman99" ICQ # 7157610 "Hell's brewing, dark sun's on the rise This storm will blow through, by and by House is on fire, vipers in the grass Little revenge and this too shall pass" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:08:09 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: re: GA "Seating" ain't bad at all. >Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:23:23 -0400 >From: lee.doyle@nyc.mediaedgecia.com >Subject: GA "Seating" ain't bad at all. > My wife is 5'2", I'm 5'8". Unless we're in the first couple of rows, we'd be unlikely to see anything below the height of Clarence's head. Unless the floor is sloped theatre-style (which it almost certainly won't be in these arena-sized venues), if you're of middling height or below, your show becomes a struggle to see instead of a celebration of the music. I'm not spending $75 a pop just to stare at the ballcaps of a cadre of inconsiderate frat-boy lummoxes, so you'll find me in the seats. I'm not accusing Bruce and Landau of being greedy bastards or anything, and I'm glad Bruce is touring and I'll see whatever shows fit into my budget and weekends. I'm just saying that G.A. floors aren't for everyone, and it's hardly "whining" to point out that they can be exclusionary. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:39:16 -0400 From: seebo47@juno.com Subject: so I'm whining I rarely post on the digest (just twice in two years), but I'd like to respond to people like Lee Doyle who tell us to "stop our whining" over the GA tickets for this tour. First, I can remember when most of us were young, back during the '78 tour, when Bruce would implore us to "sit down, we're gonna be up here for a long time" right before playing "Darkness." I would venture to guess he did this every single night. It was a tough thing to do, especially after he had just pushed through the crowd singing the last verse of "Spirit In the Night," but it was the only way everyone would be able to see, and Bruce's fans respected each other and tried to comply. Seems like that attitude is about to be forgotten. Let me, however, whine for a couple of people who won't, though. One of them is a friend of mine who was diagnosed with cancer last summer. I think she'd love to go see a show (she's seen Bruce with us 6-7 times since 1984), and although she's made it a year without a recurrence of her cancer, she's STILL too weak to stand for that long. We weren't able to get seats for the MCI show...just GA, so she won't be going with us on this round. No whining from her. And then there's my sister, who's been going to Springsteen shows since November 1980. She had a brain aneurysm and resulting stroke three years ago (she was 38), a month before we were going to go to the Cleveland reunion tour show. She has learned to walk again (very tentatively though), but would never be able to stand up for even a first set. Maybe we'll be able to get seats for the Columbus concert later on, but our chances have essentially been cut in half because of GA. Yeah, she could use a wheelchair, but she was a psychologist who worked with brain-injury patients before her illness. I don't know what that did to her, but she refuses to be put into one of those things now for herself...and I'm damn proud of her for it. She won't ever give up. So, life is tough, it's a bitch, and all that stuff. I know. I'm glad you'll be able to stand for a whole concert, and I'll be at a couple of them too, back pain and all. We're lucky! But don't tell us we're whining until you've been in somebody else's shoes. I'm sure there are others out there silently suffering too. But remember, soon there'll be sunshine, and all this darkness passed....just get on board, with the whores and gamblers, the lost souls, cause this train can carry everybody! Thanks for reading! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:51:27 -0400 From: trigelle@juno.com Subject: Question about ticket policy here's a question for those of you who have been around for a while. On the last tour, the policy was 1rst 17 rows - phone only - wristband etc, etc I felt that it worked very well and was 'fair to all' as it gave no one a better chance than anyone else. When bruce toured the last time, i was just getting set up w/ a computer at home and had yet to discover Ebay. I was just there and there were 1200 listings for Springsteen tix. So my question is, was it that bad for the last tour? Is this time worse? and if so, why would Bruce & Mgt change something that seemed to work so well? trig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:26:52 -0400 From: "Colston, Chris" Subject: Random ticket dispersal In reference to Jim Genuardi's question about Ticketmaster random ticket dispersal: We went to the Hecht's Ticketmaster in Sterling Va. last Saturday morning. When we got there at 10:10 a.m., there were 33 people already in line. The first guy in line drew a number out of a hat in a TM lottery. He drew 21. So the first 20 people in line had to move to the rear. They were not happy, but they knew the rules going in. Anyway, we had a cluster of three people in our group. The first person, who was now the 13th person in line, got 4 nosebleed seats in the MCI Upper deck, farthest from the stage. The second person got 4 floor general admission. The third person got 4 upper deck seats, but closer to the stage. So the first person of the three got the worst tickets. Certainly lends itself to thinking the ticket dispersal, at least for the DC show, was random. An interesting aside: The people in the front of the line were trying to convince TM to eschew the lottery and go first come, first serve. Can't blame them! Some got there as early as 6 a.m. But TM stuck to its policy, and one woman in line was livid. "I hope you're happy," she said in a nasty tone and she passed by the back end of the line. (Yes, we were!) She was using foul language and chewing out the TM kid running things. I don't think she ended up getting a ticket. But the guy who was first in line kept his cool, went up to someone in front of us, and politely asked how many tickets they were getting. They said two. Mind if go in with you? He said. And he got tickets. There's a lesson to be learned there. Behind the Dynamo, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:08:35 +0200 From: "Gunnar Bittersmann" Subject: Re: GA floor has been the main rule in Europe for decades and it works I was in the 2nd to 3rd row back in 1988 in East Berlin an hour or two before the show but could not defend my position because there was a lot of pushing and shoving. During the show I was ab. 30 meters fom the stage (still in the front in an audience of 160,000+) where there was less, but still some pushing. I've never experienced that after the unification of Germany. I've thought West Germans had better behavior at GA concerts than we from the East, but after reading Birgit's impressions from the TOL show in Frankfurt/Main it seems that was not the case. Maybe the audience has changed. I remember coming down the stairs at Berlin's Waldbühne in 1993 when Bruce had already started his solo acoustic set and ending up on the floor not that far away from the stage without pushing or be pushed. At last tour's stop at Berlin's Parkbühne Wuhlheide I was on the floor ab. 15 meters from the stage, went back, and forth on the other side of the stage to the same distance easily. I completely agree with Gábor. Usually on the GA floor there is enough space (might be different for "rows" 1 to 5, but 6 to 20 is still very close to the stage) and comeradeship. Enjoy the tour! Gunnar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:58:41 EDT From: Hanaweih@aol.com Subject: ticket prices In a message dated 07/16/2002 5:35:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org writes: > thought I'd throw in my 2 Euro cents ;-) on this issue. > First, I found it was about time someone mentioned that the ticket prices > were > stiff considering the economic times (Jennifer). How come no one has yet > complained on this list? This price means that the very people Bruce sings > about (single mothers, unemployed) won't get to see him play. > With groups like the Rolling Stones asking $300, Andrea Boccelli asking $500, Neil Young asking $125, Crosby Stills and Nash asking $180, et. al., I personally think Bruce's tickets are very reasonable considering he's the "best ticket in town". He could indeed command more and certainly get it, but I believe he is keeping it reasonable so as many people as possible have a shot at seeing him. Just my 2 cents from this working mom of two. Lynn "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." [text/html attachment deleted] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:13:17 -0700 From: Jeff Subject: GA Hi all, This general admission situation is interesting. Here in Cincinnati, general admission seating is illegal, for good reason. But Bruce is coming here on November 12th. It will be interesting to see what happens... Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:14:53 -0700 (PDT) From: robin klein Subject: Ticketmaster in D.C. I recently suffered through an experience with Ticketmaster that showed so little regard for customer service and was so clearly unethical, if not out-and-out illegal. While I count myself fortunate to have tickets for the show in DC, I thought I would share my experience. On Saturday morning, July 13, I was the first person on line at a Ticketmaster outlet in D.C. When the Ticketmaster opened at 9:00 a.m. I spoke to employees about the tickets to be sold, and was told that tickets would be printed and available for immediate purchase at 11:00 a.m. At 11:00 a.m., as the first person in line at this Ticketmaster, I was told I could buy seats in the MCI Arena's 400-section. I had witnessed moments earlier better tickets being pre-printed at this Ticketmaster and when I asked to buy these better seats I was told by the Ticketmaster employee that she had printed them for her boss and for "other people who work in the building," none of whom were present at the time. The woman working at Ticketmaster did all this in a matter-of-fact, routine way that suggested this was normal operating procedure and was disinterested in the outrage and disappointment of customers who had done their part, arrived early, waited patiently and were ready to purchase the best seats they could from Ticketmaster. Sadly, I am left to wonder if Ticketmaster's business practices are not routinely tilted against consumers like myself. Earlier today, while researching Ticketmaster's management and corporate reputation, I found a 1999 report Why Can't I Get Tickets?: Report on Ticket Distribution Practices from the New York State Attorney General that detailed patterns of outrageous conduct at Ticketmaster outlets throughout the state and I have to wonder if the same bad acts are happening in Washington, D.C., including the Ticketmaster I used. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:24:58 -0400 From: "Dave DiCarlo" Subject: [none] In response to Jim Genuardi's post regarding ticket sales: Jim wrote in explaining how he got seats behind the stage and in the 400 section after requesting GA seats and 100 level seats. Jim waited around to see people behind him in line get GA seats and 100 level after he was told those seats were not available any more. I think this was partly to due with people ordering tickets online. I know if you can be in the process of purchasing tickets on line and can be shut off or lose your internet connection. When this happens ticketmaster will dump these seats back into general pot that all ticketmaster outlets are pulling from. So, someone who tries to purchase tickets later on could get better seats than someone who was ahead of them in line. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:28:41 -0700 From: M C Subject: Right on, Jennifer! I completely agree with Jennifer refusing to go to the San Jose show because of the GA policy. What bothered me most about the shows I saw during the last tour where the obnoxious drunks in the seats next to me. I don't want to have to put up with worse than that this time around. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:09:00 +0100 From: "O'Hearn, Chris" Subject: RE: LuckyTown Digest V9 #39 Hi I have just found out that Sony Music Australia will not be releasing 'The Rising' as a commercial single so I wouldn't waste your time going and looking for it. They have only issued it as a 1 track promo copy single for radio. I do believe however that the limited edition copy of the album will be available but probably very sparingly so if you want it I'd get to a larger retailer like HMV for instance and pre-order a copy now. It won't be around forever. Cheers, Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:58:56 -0400 From: JZellers@dhhs.state.nh.us Subject: Lyrics at Bottom of Video Screen I definitely think that lyrics at the bottom of the video screen during the shows would "take away" from the experience, rather than enhance it. Moreover, even if I were not a big fan, I would listen to a new album and pay attention to the lyrics on that album a lot before going to an artists performance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:10:05 -0700 From: "Curtis, Robert L. LT (NASWI)" Subject: Thoughts Greetings Tramps, I've been away, read through like 5 LTDG, like to comment on a few topics. 1) The new CD and it's theme - I'm not too sure where this CD will end up. Sounds like it is being well received by the people at the listening parties, I've only heard The Rising. The CD has obviously has powerful lyrics, good guitar, etc. (from the listening party reviews). The theme will definitely be 9/11. I'm not too sure how this will go? I want new Bruce material, but, do I want to be rocking to songs that remind me of 9/11 ten years from now? When I first heard the Rising, I thought it was a cool song, great beat, found myself tapping my feat, shaking my head, getting goose bumps...then I read the lyrics...it COMPLETLELY changed the song! Kinda disappointing and disturbing now. Think I'm with the guy that posted that he didn't like reading the lyrics while they played the song, like to not have an idea of what the song is, or what to expect from it, before I even hear it. Guess the idea is, view and listen at your own risk from now on . Anywho, so how is this album (and tour for that matter) going to go? I think it is a cool song, but it is a hard song to digest. I can't really get 'into' the song because I know what the theme is about. My wife and I were cooking dinner this past weekend, she's likes the Boss, but, is no where as crazy about his music as I am. Anywho, the Rising came on and she goes, "I like this song" (which impressed me) then she starts bopping around the kitchen (which disturbed me). I said, "Have you listened to the lyrics, know what the song is about?" "No..." "It's about a firefighter on 9/11, and how he dies." She stopped dead in her tracks... The radio stations are doing the same thing: they are already screwing up the meaning that Bruce wants to portray...they're calling this hot new rocking tune from the Boss, TOTALLY ignoring the songs meaning. I like Jon Mendez' post in LTDG#32: "And now we have a full disc of songs about 9/11. Is it time for this? Is America ready and willing to listen to stories of the longing, sorrow and death that surrounded the tragic events? And, what do the families of the victims feel about the release of this record, the themes and the promotion of it for profit? From past media events like the documentary films that aired on HBO and CBS I would say the families would be conflicted by the release and promo of "The Rising." I would think many of us would have mixed feelings about this. I know I do. My wife, a big Bruce fan who lost a friend on 9/11 doesn't even want to listen to the album. Sony and ultimately Bruce are walking a fine line here both artistically and commercially. Let's hope they don't loose their balance." I want the new CD, but, I don't know if it will be one I will turn to when I need a little Bruce Juice to get me going. We have to go into this with an open mind. This CD will be what's on Bruce's mind right now. Whether we like it or not. We're going to get it. Which brings me to: 2) Setlist/Concert - A couple posts ago, there was a guy saying he wants an album and a tour with T Rd and BTR. I think those days are over, my friend. The last tour was THE Last Tour as far as I'm concerned, we'll never see that again! That was Bruce and the E St Band at full steam ahead!! It was Bruce Springsteen at his best, all eras, all albums, all themes, rolled up into one concert!! If you missed the 78 tour, that is what it was like, if you missed the River tour, that is what it was like, if you missed the BUSA tour, that is what it was like, if you missed Tunnel/HT/LT Tour, that is what it was like, same goes for the acoustic TGOTJ...that is what it was like. This tour is going to be completely different from anything we've seen so far. And the setlist I think is going to be very rigid. I'll bet we never hear BTR or T Rd on this first leg. You watch. I think this is going to be a very scripted, very rigid, very a-typical tour and album for the Boss. With my comments on the new CD above, I just can't see my self reacting the same way to The Rising in concert as I did to Candy's Room, no way. But, that's the way it goes for Bruce fans for now. Like it or not. So I don't know how I will handle this CD/tour. It will be nothing like we ever expected or have in our CD collection, Bruce "Yogi" Springsteen said it himself, "If you have all our albums, you don't have this one." Shaun in I think # 39 said: first leg tour thoughts - One of the reasons people see Bruce multiple times each tour is because he usually mixes up the setlist. But there always seems to be a "standard" show, which he usually plays the first night in a city, and then various other songs he moves in and out of the show the following nights. With this initial leg of the tour being 36 shows in 36 cities, I'm wondering if we'll see something we've never seen from Bruce before: the exact same setlist played 36 times in a row.. I think he'll lose alot of fans, (well maybe not lose, but disappoint alot) and gain alot of fans, that's just the way it goes in this business. Just like HT/LT he lost a ton of fans, and more importantly, TGOTJ, he lost a ton of fans, and disappointed lot at the concerts who just didn't come to see acoustic Bruce, and who did not appreciate being told to 'shut the fuck up'. For TGOTJ tour, some guy would yell out, "Play Thunder Road". Bruce would respond, "I ain't playing that fucker tonight" Bruce called T Rd, that fucker!! I got it on CD if you don't believe me. Why? Because it didn't fit into the southwest american troubled times theme with an acoustic twang that he was selling. Every album has a theme, every tour has a theme, I think fans looking for the re-union tour theme are going to be VERY disappointed. But, I hope I'm wrong. The only thing I can think that may make me wrong would be the second leg of the tour for next summer with multiple stands here and there. I may have an explanation. Jeff LeBlanc said in # 33, "Obviously Bruce was effected big time by the events of 9-11 as were most. But as a recording artists and one that deeply cares about what he is saying to people-it is his job to make us think- THE RISING is a work that will make us think. He is taking us on a ride, and we are going whether we like it or not." Here's my explanation, he wants to get these thoughts/feeling off his chest, not dwell on them for four nights in a row at XXXXX Arena...do the first part of the tour, promote the album, do some soul searching, get the message across, heal some wounds (after he opens them up of course) THEN, (stay with me Tramps...) come back for leg #2 and have fun on stage, maybe a little Rosie, maybe a little Backstreets, continue the healing/recovery and continue the magic, the mystery, the ministry of rock n roll!!! Which brings me to: 3) Bandwagon - There's going to be a bandwagon, but who cares. A guy who discovered Bruce in 1984 is no less a fan who discovered him right after John Hammand did. I'm tired of the fan ranking thing...we're all fans. The new bandwagon that might take shape just makes getting tickets a bit harder. Which brings me to: 4) Scalpers - They are going to have a field day with this one. After all the work Bruce camp did to deny scalpers the freedom for the last tour, he just blew it with the GA thing. They are going to clean up on this one. Tom Ross posted: Subject: ebay "Luckytowners, Here is some food for thought. Last Saturday, on a whim, I checked ebay at about 5:00 pm, and found 691 listings for Springsteen tickets. Some were posted before tickets went on sale. The scalpers continue to thrive." Which brings me to: 5) General Admission - I don't think this will work out for Bruce, and using U2 as a comparison or as proof it will is ludicrous at best! I'm not knocking U2, but, we're talking about Bruce Springsteen here people! Sold out shows for a 4, 5, 8, 9, consecutive dates in ARENAS!! there is going to be a huge rush to get up front, it is going to be uncomfortable. Gabor Palasti posted: "As for the fear of being trampled on or badly pushed or anything alike - it hardly ever happens. The main rule is that everyone has his/her standing place and people will not offence that integrity - just like you will not do this to others. In fact if there are some drunks sometimes pushing around, the crowd very quickly stops them. Still on this fear, in fact in a GA system there is no stage rush as such at all, simply because people have been standing *there* since the beginning of the show." Gabor...are you on crack? Juha Kolari posted: "In GA, every floor area ticket is potentially a front row ticket. For most, though, the places immediately next to the rail are not worth the trouble. Unless you are desperate to touch the man, a few meters back you can see just as well and have space to move. If you're prone to mainly tapping your foot, singing and clapping, you may not even break a sweat. So, no need to drink excessively, either." You said it your self, every ticket is potentially a front row ticket! There is going to be a massive rush and I don't think it will work out. I would have to estimate that the average age of the Bruce fan is over 35, taking a U2 (et al) approach to having GA is a bad idea for Bruce Springsteen. This is a religion for a majority of the Boss fans, sometimes worth fighting over. Just because he pulled it off at the Convention Hall (HALL mind you) doesn't mean it is going to work at CAA! This one is going to be interesting to see how it pans out. Bottom Line: This is going to be a trip, and I salute them for trying to pull this off...this ain't no BUSA, this ain't no BTR or Re-Union tour, this is a CD with a theme about a horrible event (that I would like not to be reminded about) that has affected everybody, and a tour that has to promote that CD! How on earth are they going to pull this one off? Seriously, think about that! After paying a couple hundred for your general admission ticket to a scalper and standing in line for a day or two till the doors open, for the chance to see the Boss "front row" for the first time, think about walking (running) up to be close to the stage, hands shaking, heart pounding as the Boss comes out, excited as all hell to be at another Springsteen concert, being crushed by all the other people up there to possibly see the Boss up close for the first time, you're wearing your BTR t shirt that you got from the last tour (because your original BTR t has made it's way to the rag box in your garage) expecting, "1, 2, 3, 4, Cold rain running down the front of my shirt.." and you get a mouthful of 9/11. That's all I have to say about that... Bob This train... Kinda ironic, as I am finishing typing this, Born to Run came on the radio followed by New Year's Day...alright, where are the cameras? 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