From: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org (LuckyTown Digest) To: luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Subject: LuckyTown Digest V9 #81 Reply-To: luckytown@luckytown.org Sender: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Errors-To: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Precedence: bulk LuckyTown Digest Sunday, September 1 2002 Volume 09 : Number 081 NOTE: Sale/trade posts should be emailed to luckytown-ads, *NOT* to luckytown. That includes tix wanted/tix grovels, post them to luckytown-ads, please. Contents: More Bruce on-sale dates ["Kevin Kinder" ] Re: more thoughts from Steve Leftridge [matt@orel.ws] Re: MTV last nite [DuoStudio@aol.com] What It Means To Me [TTrulis510@aol.com] SJ review ["M. Conens" ] Re: Portland Review ["John Fisher" ] In Support of Steve Leftridge ["James Stoltzfus" ] Bruce's daughter sings in San Jose! [Steven Schock ] Priceless in Tacoma ["Campbell, James" ] Darkness Studio [mendez@comcast.net] Re: 'Those 9/11 Songs: Are you with Springsteen or Keith?' (National Review Online) ["Dominic F. Manno" ] Re Mr Judge [JZellers@dhhs.state.nh.us] Re: LuckyTown Digest V9 #73 [Susan Hamburger ] Good Concert Review & article [cynthia orlando ] Berlin - Help !!!! ["CS" ] Recorded background singers ["M. Conens" ] FREE Springsteen Fantasy Football.We Still Need More People!!! [RCM3535@a] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:51:22 -0500 From: "Kevin Kinder" Subject: More Bruce on-sale dates From www.brucespringsteen.net: 12/2 Atlanta on sale 9/28 12/9 Columbia on sale 9/7 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:42:03 +0000 (GMT) From: matt@orel.ws Subject: Re: more thoughts from Steve Leftridge - -------------------------------------------------- Here is a message for you from http://web2mail.com The easy way to read and send POP email on the web - -------------------------------------------------- Steve Leftridge writes: > Second, I'm not stuck in the past, despite comments that alluded to previous > tours. I am disappointed in the quality of the present, while holding out hope > for whatever future is left for Bruce and the band. Fair enough. > And, perhaps most disconcerting, I think it is > inherently problematic to turn tragedy into commerce. So, then, Elie Wiesel should not have written "Night"? Picasso shouldn't have painted "Guernica"? Billie Holiday should not have sung "Bitter Fruit"? Are all these inherently problematic as well? > I believe that with Springsteen, this project probably comes from a good, > pure core of inspiration. But, it still smacks of opportunism and it provides > no life for these songs beyond this moment. I disagree. The album will live because it is good. > All this choreographed mourning and sloganeering reduces > "Rise Up" to the next "Let's Roll" -- in other words, these sentiments become > cheapened cliches, and does the victims of 9/11 (all of us, to some extent) > only cold comfort. Unless you are a victim, you probably shouldn't presume to speak for them. In any event, wouldn't it be somewhat presumptuous to offer more? > I agree that Springsteen is better gifted to write on this > subject than, say, Bon Jovi or Neil Young, but the endeavor is still > disquieting. Will Bruce be in writer's block until a dirty bomb goes off in an > American city and kills 10,000? Think of how many albums he'll be able to sell > from that tragedy! May have to be a double album! This train has stops. Passengers are allowed to depart. There's a station on the horizon. > Third, the idea that it is "audacity" to demand that Bruce play to and for his > established fans is ridiculous. I see no problem in commenting on a set list. I see a significant problem in making demands in that regard. He's the artist, not you. I don't like "Bobby Jean" much, either. But he has every right to play it; I can either stay for it, take a piss, whatever. That's all. > And to respond to some of your comments, tickets were 60 bucks last time, > not 75. They were $67.50, more than 2 years ago. If he's charging too much for some fans, then they won't buy. Lord knows, you don't have to. I know I wouldn't buy overpriced tickets to see a half-assed effort phoned in by someone who's making a mint capitalizing on our tragedies by writing cliched songs 'bout them. But that's just me. - --Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:11:14 EDT From: DuoStudio@aol.com Subject: Re: MTV last nite Quick comment on Bruce at the MTV awards last night: I got a chuckle out of how far removed--literally--Bruce was from this industry event, coming on right at the beginning from a remote location. Which was fine by me, as Bruce has practically nothing in common with what was presented at Radio City, being pretty much the lone voice of traditional rock and roll for the entire 3 hours. It reminded me a little of what i had written in first to the LTD, then to the New York Times after their big Arts & Leisure piece ran in early july (and of which only the first portion actually got printed in the A&L letters column 2 weeks after!); here it is in full, for the benefit of the LTD'ers who might've missed it: Recently, I picked up the new issue of Rollingstone magazine, and while I was perusing it, I had an epiphany of sorts about Bruce Springsteen, his music, and especially his place in the music world. What dawned on me was that, as I leafed through a magazine full of sex and drugs but no rock and roll, with the exception of a handful of acts/artists/groups (the usual suspects: Dylan, Neil Young, U2), there is basically no one out there doing "real" rock and roll anymore, and certainly no one of a mature stature (thus my omission of the younger groups like The Strokes and White Stripes) who could do a convincing album full of songs reflecting on 9/11 and not be criticized for opportunism or pandering. As far as I'm concerned, Bruce is alone on the top of a relatively deserted mountain called rock and roll music. He's been there for 30 years, outlived and outlasted countless artists, bands and musical trends; may he last for at least 30 more. He is America's Walt Whitman, Woody Guthrie, Aaron Copland, you-name-the-American-legend rolled into one. He is our rock and roll poet laureate. - ------------- And speaking of Rollingstone magazine, if you want a perfect demonstration of what i'm talking about here, check out the unbelievable juxtaposition of the full-(left-hand) page photo of Bruce in the magazine's recent cover story, with the full-page ad opposite! It says it all--2 pictures worth 2,000 words! --Arlen Schumer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:33 -0400 From: TTrulis510@aol.com Subject: What It Means To Me Just my observations after reading the very thoughtful, yet overblown reviews of the shows. I have seen Bruce in every decade since the beginning. On Sept 25 of 2002, for the first time,I will see Bruce with my 2 sons. I can't even begin to explain what that means to me. THAT is what it's all about. NOT the unchanging set list, or the order of the songs, or the teleprompter, or the crowd reacting in a non-pc way when they hear "revenge", or Patty being off-key...cheez. It's not about criticizing (or even noticing) every minor detail. For Gods sake, if he came out and sang "li li li" for an hour and a half, and threw in a version or 2 of Mary Queen of Arkansas, I would still be out of my mind! And on Sept 25th my sons will finally know why I'm out of my mind. I've said this before (and I think Bruce has, too) it has nothing to do with the music, yet it has everything to do with the music. Cheers, Tom T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:17:14 -0700 From: "M. Conens" Subject: SJ review http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/08/29/DD68374.DTL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:38:43 -0700 From: "John Fisher" Subject: Re: Portland Review I saw the San Jose show two nights ago. I definitely had a good time, but would also express the same sentiment that the pace of the concert felt inconsistent. Seemed like things never really got rolling like they did last tour. Interesting, I *did* do a complete "bruce info" blackout. It was the first time since 1988 that I had no idea what the setlist would be. It sort of backfired on me in a way - I had developed my own set of notions about how the setlist might go. In particular, I thought that Waitin' on A Sunny Day whould be much later, even an encore. The same goes for Mary's Place. I also was thinking that he might add some "bite" to Empty Skies (however, I did like the version he came up with). At least, I nailed World's Apart - an obvious place for a blistering solo. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got 20 LuckyTown digests to browse through :-). John >Personally, I'd like >the pacing of the show to be looked at a little bit. >It has an undulating momentum in my opinion. In >hindsight, with my shows arriving very early on in the >tour I wish I'd had the willpower to stay away from >reading the set lists. I'm thankful I didn't know any >of the arrangements for the material that was offered >up, but can't help feeling that the overall excitement >factor would have been higher for me. The price you >pay for being a fanatic, I guess. At THIS POINT I >would have liked another hard rocker to close after >LOHAD. Overall, an absolutely AWESOME show, marred >only marginally due to a pretty quiet crowd and >less-than-perfect acoustics in my section. Absolutely >one of the best shows I've ever seen. I'd pay double >the admission fee to see it. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:33:26 -0400 From: "James Stoltzfus" Subject: In Support of Steve Leftridge I have to say that I agree with 85% of what Steve Lethridge had the guts to post, especially about the lack of use of the E-Street Band's talents; the production and the song writing on the new album; the marketing of the new album; and the continued playing of the same "classics" at the shows. As for the 15% I didn't agree with, well, for starters, I would have choose a different word than "sucks" for the topic line of his original post and as for the lost gems to mix it up with I'd much rather hear Tunnel of Love material and band versions of the Nebraska and Tom Joad material than songs like Thundercrack, E-Street Shuffle etc.. I just think its a shame when someone like Steve takes the time and energy to articulate on this Digest thoughtful reasons for the way he feels and is bashed in return, because after all, this Digest is at its best when there is articulate and thought out discourse, not just mindless conclusionary praise or criticism. On a side note, Steve mentioned seeing Willie Nelson in concert recently and that at the age of 68 he played 2.5 hours and 42 songs. Well, not only does Willie play that kind of show night after night, the show is kept incredibly fresh by all of the improvisation Willie and the other band members do on their instrumentals and his band's ability to go where ever Willie wants to take the music at any point in time and to flow one song right into the next (something the E-Street band is also more than capable of but which is a talent that is not currently being tapped). All I can hope for is that the later years of Bruce's life turn out to be as productive as Willie's (e.g., listen to Teatro and Spirit for examples of an artist taking an incredible career to new heights in the later years of his life). Jim Stoltzfus Landenberg, PA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:02:44 -0700 From: Steven Schock Subject: Bruce's daughter sings in San Jose! >...."For everyone who feels this song is too light for "The Rising" >material, >there was a moment of revelation in San Jose, when Bruce found a group >of >six-or-seven year olds to sing the chorus."......... In fact, the young girl who sang "Sunny Day" along with Bruce, was in fact, Bruce's daughter! What a great show! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:51:06 -0700 From: "Linda Segall-Anable" Subject: Next Generation Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:49:53 EDT From: QuadAxel83@aol.com Subject: My San Jose experience Just got back from the show and wanted to share my experience!!!! >For everyone who feels this song is too light for "The Rising" material, there was a moment of revelation in San Jose, when Bruce found a group of six-or-seven year olds to sing the chorus . with everything that 9/11 and the aftermath has presented to our children . fear, uncertainty and real images of terror . a Dad needs a song to sing with the kids . When I have children, this will be our song for the back seats of the minivan . Those kids sounded really good because they were Bruce's kids! After they sang, Bruce had the grin of the Proudest Papa on Earth on his face and that spirit lasted throughout the rest of the stupendous show. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:02:56 -0700 From: "Campbell, James" Subject: Priceless in Tacoma I sent this back on the 23rd, but haven't seen it posted. I'm still high on the religious experience of 08/21 I made the 1100 mile round trip to Tacoma to take my 11 year-old son to see Bruce for his first concert ever. It brought back a lot of emotions for me from my first Bruce concert in 1978. It would have been a perfect set-up for a Visa (or is it MasterCard) commercial - "$180 for tickets, 1100 mile drive, seeing your son have a religious experience at a Bruce concert - PRICELESS". To really top things off, we also got LIRed. A lady walked by us and said "That lady in red over there has a bunch of tickets and she is moving people up". My son bolted over and asked if we could move up. We went from the back to the front. We were about 10 feet in front of the stage and about 100 feet to the side. Truly a priceless experience. I am always amazed how tight the E-Street Band is. It is almost as if they are a single organism! Jim C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:31:52 -0400 From: mendez@comcast.net Subject: Darkness Studio >my preference for DARKNESS live over DARKNESS studio (I do happen to think DARKNESS is a great-to-brilliant album; Arlen, weren't we just saying last night that the great tragedy was not really Darkness Live vs.Studio but rather it was what was LEFT off Darkness. Surely Mr. Marsh would have to admit in hindsight your correct assertion that The River was bloated (and should have been released as "Ties That Bind") and The River was released as a double LP in a (conscious or unconscious) reaction to the mistake of not making Darkness a double LP. History shows it was Darkness that should have been and needed to be a double album. Let's look what the second LP might have looked like: Don't Look Back Because the Night Fire Rendezvous Hearts of Stone The Iceman I Wanna Be with You The Promise Frankie In it's own right that list stands with Bruce's greatest work. As part of what could have been a double LP it would have assured Darkness' place as one of the greatest LP's of all-time (and in my opion THE GREATEST ALBUM EVER) on ANY list up there with Layla, The White Album and Electric Ladyland as the greatest double LP's. Rightfully, Bruce would be Beatlesque in placing 2 albums in that "imaginary" All-Time Top whatever list. Those great songs instead were doled out to others or left in the vault because supposedly they didn't fit 'thematically' with Darkness. Well aint that a shame. I wonder how that "theme" holds today? At whose urging was a 2 LP set squashed? Or who should have been the one to insist on it? Landau... Bruce? I'm sure Columbia would have loved a double LP from Bruce at that point. Not to mention fans who had been waiting three years for a new studio LP. Well, I know where Arlen and I stand on this. Dave, you kind of opened this can...want to contribute on this topic? "They gave me my pay and said "walk" I don't care what they say Go ahead let 'em all talk" Jon Mendez Secaucus, NJ [text/html attachment deleted] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:19:52 -0500 From: "Dominic F. Manno" Subject: Re: 'Those 9/11 Songs: Are you with Springsteen or Keith?' (National Review Online) Barry Kaplovitz wrote: >From National Review Online >August 27, 2002 > > Those 9/11 Songs > > Are you with Springsteen or Keith? > > By Stanley Kurtz > > http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz082702.asp Stanley Kurtz is a colossal ass. The point of his article is that the only way an artist can have credibility--artistic or political--on the subject of Sept. 11 is to write an angry, jingoistic war anthem. Since Bruce doesn't have such a song on "The Rising," the album is a lesser work than Keith's "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue." Never mind that Springsteen has been an influence in rock for 30 years, while Keith's only claims to fame are a football career, a high-school reunion revenge fantasy hit, and his flag-waving crowd-pleaser. Somebody ought to remind Kurtz that it's not the pro-war songs that endure, it's the songs about the _effects_ of the war on the warriors and those at home that last. - -- D.F. Manno dfmanno@localnet.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:53:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Yoon" Subject: Springsteen or Keith, Further On That National Review Online article forces me to ask: Am I the only one who hears Further On as a revenge song? Hold the indignant denial and yes I know Further On was written before 9/11, as was MCOR. But just as Bruce put MCOR on The Rising for a reason, he put Further On in for a reason. For those who haven't read the NRO article, it praises much of The Rising but takes Bruce to task for failing to voice a properly belligerent and patriotic response to the events of 9/11. But I hear Further On as coming from a tough and proud man who has been knocked around a bit, but is geared up to make things right. Yeah buddy, you might've bloodied my lip a bit, but I'll meet you further on up the road--and I'm bringing heat. To be more exact (and theoretical and maybe more ridiculous), the song is sung by a personification of America's spirit of righteous violence. It's a spirit that brings a fearsome power when the time is right. Most of the time it lies quiet in the desert. But when called upon, it brings a cocked gun and plenty of cold bullets, puts on the skull ring and graveyard boots to do some dirty work in the dark way and cold night. Yeah those towers came down and their dust clouded the sky, but that just sowed the seed for me to rise, and one sunny morning, we'll rise I know, and I'll meet you further on up the road. Anyone else hear it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:06:41 -0400 From: JZellers@dhhs.state.nh.us Subject: Re Mr Judge I'm sorry Mr. Judge is nauseated. But officially?!? Most of all, I'm sorry - and saddened - that he appears not to understand that Bruce Springsteen's music (or other music, for that matter) has helped some of us to the point of "saving our lives" - either metaphorically or literally in some way. Life sometimes can be extremely harsh. It may be that Mr. Judge has not experienced this first-hand, however. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:13:39 -0400 From: Susan Hamburger Subject: Re: LuckyTown Digest V9 #73 Having just returned from a week-long conference in Birmingham, any pre-show get-togethers within walking distance of the BJCC will mostly likely have to be at the Sheraton or Tutwiler hotels. There are absolutely no restaurants open past lunchtime within an eight block radius except for those in these two hotels. Downtown is dead at night, and what passes for the "nightlife area," Five Points, is a joke. The day of or day after the concert I highly recommend touring the Civil Rights Institute and the art museum. Sue Hamburger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:23:40 -0800 From: cynthia orlando Subject: Good Concert Review & article Not sure whether these have been posted yet or not, but they are both definitely worth reading, especially the first. Portland Oregonian article http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard_noad.xsl?/base/news/1030044355193090.xml Actually I was hoping to share the URL for Robert Hilburn's Forum concert review but couldn't locate it. However, this is from the LA Times & came out a while ago (July), in case you missed it: http://events.calendarlive.com/top/1,1419,L-LATimes-Music-X!ArticleDetail-65857,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:24:38 +0200 From: "CS" Subject: Berlin - Help !!!! Dear Tramps, 1) It seems that Paris has released a few more tickets (behind-the-stage ones) : check www.ticketnet.fr (39 euros) 2) Berlin seemd to sell out in a few... seconds! Phone + web : I couldn't make it... :-( => if any of you has 2 tickets for me for Berlin, I'm your man! :-) 3) The Rising is still in the top 5 of HMV-like French retailer "Fnac" 4) I have my tickets for Rotterdam :-) 5) Barcelona will be on-sale on September 13th Rave on, Clement [text/html attachment deleted] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:19:30 -0700 From: "M. Conens" Subject: Recorded background singers The SF Chronicle said the background singers on World's Apart are on a pre-recorded track. Can anyone confirm this? Is this the first time Bruce has used a pre-recorded track in concert? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:33:42 -0400 From: RCM3535@aol.com Subject: FREE Springsteen Fantasy Football.We Still Need More People!!! We still need more people for the two Fantasy Football Leagues on ESPN.com for Bruce fans. It's FREE all you need to do is goto the links below. When you click on the first link (This league is for creating a team of NFL players who's weekly stats will be added up in five positions) it ask you to join a league after you select the players on your team. When you need to select a league search for E Street Nation Rising. When you get there you will need to give the password that is Rising. For the second link the league name is Part Man Part Monkey this is for the picking the winning teams for every weeks games. This is kind of like what most office's have and very simple. The password for this league is also Rising. These are private groups just for us but we will compete against others for national rankings and if your good you could win prizes from ESPN. You can e-mail this link to any of your football/Bruce fans. I will try to come up with a prize for the person who wins the season who is a Bruce fan. If you have any problems e-mail me. I would like to fill it up (50) before the season starts net week. First League (Create A Team) http://games.espn.go.com/gridiron/frontpage LEAGUE NAME: Street Nation Rising PASSWORD: Rising Second league (Weekly Game Winners like an office pool) http://games.espn.go.com/pigskin/frontpage LEAGUE NAME: Part Man Part Monkey PASSWORD: Rising ------------------------------ End of LuckyTown Digest V9 #81 ****************************** ********************************************************************* ** LuckyTown WWW URL ** The LuckyTown FAQ, back issues, web-based subscription/unsubscription, and many other things can be found on the LuckyTown WWW Page: http://www.luckytown.org ** LuckyTown mailing list addresses ** You can send email to go into the next LuckyTown Digest to: luckytown@luckytown.org You can send email to go into the next LuckyTown-Ads Digest to: luckytown-ads@luckytown.org Any questions for the list admin should be emailed to: owner-luckytown@luckytown.org To unsubscribe, send email to majordomo@luckytown.org with message body: unsubscribe luckytown-digest To get further information on how to subscribe/unsubscribe/change your subscription address, as well as the other available commands, send email to majordomo@luckytown.org with message body: help ********************************************************************* The contents of this digest are not necessarily approved by the list admin.