From: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org (LuckyTown Digest) To: luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Subject: LuckyTown Digest V9 #85 Reply-To: luckytown@luckytown.org Sender: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Errors-To: owner-luckytown-digest@luckytown.org Precedence: bulk LuckyTown Digest Thursday, September 12 2002 Volume 09 : Number 085 NOTE: Sale/trade posts should be emailed to luckytown-ads, *NOT* to luckytown. That includes tix wanted/tix grovels, post them to luckytown-ads, please. Contents: re Comment from a 17 yr old RS reader ["Ann McLoughlin" ] Setlist Grovel [Angela G Morgan ] Out On The Street, A Video & The Harp ["O'Hearn, Chris" ] London show sells out in 45 minutes. [Carl Fooks ] Stories on MIB? (or LIR?) [hbstrub@att.net] Tour of Asbury Park this Saturday ["Bill King II" ] Come On Up.... [OmanIV@aol.com] Help stop Ticket Scalping! [Dave ] Counting Crows/Thunder Road ["Steve Rapport" ] Care To Revisit That Ticket Pricing Debate, Luckytowners? [Barry Kaplovit] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:09:05 +0100 From: "Ann McLoughlin" Subject: re Comment from a 17 yr old RS reader Chris wrote If this is legitimate, it seems to me that Bruce's record company is missing an opportunity. I noticed that the sticker on "The Rising" listed "Mary's Place" as one of the highlights. If this is the kind of track they've decided to push, they're not going to get most kids to listen past the first few bars. How do you get this music out to young people? Funny, I had the same thought myself today. I was playing "The Rising" full blast when my 11 yr old daughter came into the room and demanded that I play track 5 "Countin on a Miracle" - in response to WHY??? I was informed she loved this song and had heard it many times on the Radio. So, is this one up for the Irish Radio scene? They are giving this album quite a bit of exposure, and rightly so in my (un)biased opinion!! Boy/Girl bands will come and go but Bruce will go on forever as one of , no, the greatest of all time, and its down to his ability to click something in the minds of the young. 1985 saw me awakening to the sound of Bruce, with the Born in the USA Album, in fact my very first concert was Slane, Ireland, on the BTUSA tour. While that is not now my favourite album it was the one that woke my generation to the awesome sound of Bruce and the E-Street Band. Has he achieved this once again? Has this album got what it takes to awaken yet another generation? Only time will tell, but he has got another fan in my house, didn't I rear her well!!! Ann McLoughlin annmcl@eircom.net [text/html attachment deleted] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:58:17 -0700 From: "Eric Douglas" Subject: Stale Thunder Road > The song THUNDER ROAD encapsulates one of the problems, if any one song > can, that Leftridge brings up: while TR is a classic, and is ALWAYS worth > hearing, I just wish Bruce and the band would change the arrangement every > few years, instead of playing basically the same arrangement since '78 (which > is true for MANY of his hits); in other words, I wish he'd be more like "the > New Dylan" by recasting his hits in ways that we can hear them fresh, like > Dylan does. Arlen, I agree that the current version of TR is basically stale, and does nothing for the fans who have heard it live a dozen or so times since 1978. I went to the show with a first-timer, and she loved it. That being said, Bruce has reinterpreted and restructured many of his songs, including some hits. In fact, didn't the HT/LT tour have a very different version of TR than the "regular" version? also, don't forget: Promised Land, BITUSA, Youngstown, IISFB, The River, Dancing in the Dark (this new version is great!), and many more, though those are just the ones off the top of my head. Eric. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:16:25 -0600 From: Angela G Morgan Subject: Setlist Grovel Alright, the subject line says it all and I'm kinda ashamed, but here I go anyway ..... I've purposely been avoiding the detailed reviews and setlists since on the last tour knowing too much in advance killed much of the thrill of the show for me. That said, I have been scanning a setlist here and there for a certain new song and haven't seen it. And I don't understand why. That song is Paradise. It is easily the most thought-provoking song on The Rising. The other songs I can pretty much settle on an interpretation fairly readily, although a fair number of mysteries remain. But this song, this one song, kinda sums up for me what Bruce is about. He asks some of the hard questions that people like to pretend don't even exist. He gives you something to think about when the whole world is out there assuming instead that you can't think at all. Now I'm not completely outta the loop - I've heard some rumblings and grumblings about this song. Apparently some people are offended that Bruce put a human face on a suicide bomber. But I'm not gonna go there, since I know the LTD generally likes to avoid such discussions. But I'm wondering if that's really why the song isn't being played live. After all, 41 Shots seemed to have generated much more controversy (albeit outside the fan base, for the most part) and Bruce had no trouble taking all the heat they were giving and playing that one live. What's so different here? And then the thing that almost adds injury to insult is that he played it in Asbury, I think, and people who saw and heard it described its performance as mesmerizing. Mesmerizing! And I know that come 22 September, the day before the Bruce odometer rolls, it would be the perfect thing to celebrate the rolling, that is, for Bruce to mesmerize, and everybody in Denver to be mesmerized, for a moment or two, or more, if the spirit moves us. And it might forever banish that Zevon song that always comes to mind when thinking of things to do in Denver ....... and besides, it seems like a companion piece to Worlds Apart, which I positively, absolutely love. He shoulda delved into the world music sooner, judging by how well he fused the musical styles together. So that's it for the grovel, and I'll close with one overriding thought about The Rising. I've heard a lot of negatives about one thing and another on this one, but I'm just exceedingly grateful that he even tackled the problem of trying to address the subject of 9/11 in some fashion. I think this subject was the elephant in the middle of the whole country's room up until The Rising. Yeah, I know how that sounds, but I think it's true. People could not talk about it in public, for the most part, save for the one acceptable cookie-cutter 'patriotic' response. So Bruce addressed the thing in human terms instead of political terms, but that's alright with me. At least he dealt with it in a mature and intelligent way, when no one else has, as far as I know, to date. And I don't see that changing any time soon, or at all. I think it took a leap of faith and a fair amount of guts to put out something like The Rising, and maybe we should kinda keep that thought in the back of our minds as we're analyzing every nook and cranny of every wart to be found on the thing. Angela And I wait for Paradise, And I wait for Paradise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:14:20 +0100 From: "O'Hearn, Chris" Subject: Out On The Street, A Video & The Harp Hi all, Must say the set lists for the shows have all looked great but the one song that I feel is missing (if Virta Jyrki stats are 100% correct) is 'Out On The Street'. The trio of 'Badlands', '10th Ave Freeze Out' & 'OOTS' was, for me anyway, a highlight for the 2 shows I saw in Boston in '99. It was obviously for Bruce as well or else he wouldn't have persisted with it so much and of course included it in the live album & DVD. Also - I was wondering if any one had heard any news about a possible video clip for 'The Rising' ?? I find it very strange that Bruce has not done a clip for this track - even a live one would be good - especially for those markets that won't get the tour (fingers crossed) until next year. By the way if your heading to "BOSSton' to see the show make your way to a bar called The Harp. It's right across the road from The Fleet Centre, the locals are great, the music is loud and the beer is cold - which foe an aussie is very important !! Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:51:28 -0500 From: kimzout@worldnet.att.net] Subject: Springsteen Auction for 9-11 OR Memorial Press Release: OR 9-11 Memorial Quilt signed by The Boss and the Band to be auctioned off After 9-11-01 there was not much anyone here in Oregon could do to help. In May of this year My husband Gert was one of a three firefighters who drove cross country to New Jersey to bring back a piece of steal from the World Trade Center. I am fiber artist, and stay at home mother. I created a quilted wall hanging inspired by the song "City of Ruin" written and preformed by Bruce Springsteen. To be auctioned off with the proceeds going to finish the memorial. When I discovered that Springsteen would be performing at the Portland Rose Garden, my quest began. "I phoned, faxed and emailed, local radio station, the record label, the public relations firm, and the management team for Springsteen, trying to set up a signing, no one responded." "So I figured that if they said yes I should be at the Rose Garden." The Rose Garden programming department told me that it was not going to happen. After getting a tip from a scalper, I headed down to where the artists enter the building. There a security guard took in a request, they production crewmember told her "NO" it would not happen and to go home. "I sat down and cried, all the emotions and pain from 9-11 came flooding back. Then I got angry and decided that I was not going to leave until Springsteen was in the building. I made two signs to hold up with my quilt. One read "Please Sign" and the other "OR 9-11 Fire Memorial". I stood on the sidewalk and waited." As the limo's and vans pulled in, I held up the signs and quilt. They passed me by; as I walked toward the parking garage a member of the Springsteen crew came out and said follow me. I was lead backstage where she met Bruce and Patti Springsteen and had a photo taken. After speaking with Springsteen he was so impressed with the quilt and project he signed the wall hanging and had the entire band sign the quilt. They also saw that I had a floor ticket to the concert. The wall hanging will be put up on eBay on September 11 and will on for bidding through the 17 The proceeds from the auction will go towards the Oregon 9-11 Memorial to help put on all the finishing touches and have a fund set up for future maintenance. "This will ensure that the Memorial will be around for my grandchildren and great grandchildren" Kimberly Zoutendijk Digital photo's available on request. For any questions call Kimberly Zoutendijk at 503-554-5610 (home), 503-780-5920 (cell-phone) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:46:54 +1000 From: spkant Subject: Aussie tour mentioned in interview Good news for us Aussie fans. This link provided by another fan in another forum http://www.timeoff.com.au/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:03:04 +0100 From: Carl Fooks Subject: London show sells out in 45 minutes. Hi, The October 27th show at London's Wembley arena sold out in 45 minutes today. Of course, I haven't managed to get myself a ticket and have grovelled unashamedly on luckytown-ads. However, I found out that the venue only has seating for 12,000. When Bruce last came to London (to perform) he did 4 nights at a 22,000 seater venue... Why only 1 night at a smaller venue? Obviously I am bitterly disappointed at not being able to get a ticket, and face risking the scalpers on the night (if nobody is able to help me out), but I was wondering if anybody knows if any additional nights are going to be announced (as there is a week between that show and his next). On a positive note, I've played TR incessantly since it's release and love (just about) every bit of it. I've read the comments posted here and have been pleased to note that the album has provoked such a variety of thoughts and feelings! I've disagreed with as many as I've agreed with, but it's the variety of them that assures me that Bruce has done the job right. He's stirred us all up! ;o) I watched a documentary the other day in which the survivors of two companies who worked just above and below the crash sites in both towers talked about their experiences. Apart from being a harrowing experience (just watching the documentary) I picked up on several lines that the people were saying and that were in songs from The Rising and it gave the songs an intensity they didn't have before -- and they were intense before I saw it. I think my favourite Rising moment was listening to Worlds Apart for the first time! I thought my CD player had skipped to another CD (or gone onto the radio) and had to double check! ;o) My girlfriend keeps exclaiming how she can't believe how Bruce has managed to reinvent himself so often and so successfully. I look forward to going on the 27th and seeing if I can hear the show from the street! ;o) ... actually ;o( Kind regards, - -Carl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 03:29:12 +0000 From: hbstrub@att.net Subject: Stories on MIB? (or LIR?) Have their been MIB throughout this tour (or I saw one reference to a Lady In Red providing upgrades)? I've not had time to read through most of the full show reviews, but I remember there being message headers about upgrades for the last tour. Questions include: who is getting upgrades, for what seats (are they upgrading GA folks to the inner sanctum?), when, what seems to make a difference, etc.? Thanks, --Hank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:49:21 -0500 From: "Bill King II" Subject: Tour of Asbury Park this Saturday TIME TRAVEL IN ASBURY PARK WITH TRAVEL WRITER HELEN PIKE Take a ride back in time this Saturday when appraisers from the "The Antiques Roadshow" come to Asbury Park. Ticket holders to the appraisal fair and mini-tutorials at the Paramount Theater will also be able to go on two separate bus tours of the city given by travel writer and photographer Helen-Chantal Pike. Author of "Images of America: Asbury Park", the first history book written about the city's early founding by New York brush maker James A. Bradley, Pike is at work on a new book about the fabled resort for Rutgers University Press. "I'm thrilled to be a part of the appraisal fair," said Pike who also will be signing copies of her current book, "Greetings From New Jersey: A Postcard Tour of the Garden State" on the mezzanine level of the theater. Seven vintage photos of Asbury Park appear in this book published by Rutgers Press. A portion of its sales on Saturday will help benefit the city's recreation programs. The bus tours, Pike said, will show where and how people spent their leisure time in Asbury Park. "If you want to hear tell about the world's largest salt water pool, Frank W. Woolworth, and the after-hours clubs on the West Side, these tours are for you," Pike said. Some of the landmark buildings on the bus rides will be the Santander, built as a residential hotel in 1929; Jennie's, the soul food restaurant on Ridge Avenue that originally started as a bakery that grew into Freda's Italian Restaurant; Griffin's Cleaners on Springwood Avenue that dates from the turn of the century; Steinbach's Department Store, and the Stephen Crane House. "Asbury Park's Glory Days", slated for publication in 2003, is based on research and interviews Pike has done since 1997. The bus tours are scheduled for noon and 3 p.m. There will also be walking tours of Asbury Park's music history given at 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. by Jean Milke and Stan Goldstein, authors of "Rock & Roll Tour of the Jersey Shore." The pair will also sign copies of their book on the Paramount's mezzanine level as will the appraisers whose specialties cover the broad spectrum of antiques from toys and 20th century artifacts to glass, paintings, jewelry, clocks and pottery. A silent auction is scheduled that includes dinner for two with lead appraisers David Rago and Suzanne Perrault of Lambertville. Local historian Werner Baumgartner will give interior tours of the Paramount Theater and Convention Hall at 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. Asbury Park Historical Society reprints of the 1931 "The Story of Asbury Park" also will be for sale. Tickets start at $20 for viewing only. Appraisals for two items are $40; $10 for each additional item. Doors open at 9 a.m. The road show ends at 4 p.m. Regards, King (from) Neptune ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:54:53 EDT From: OmanIV@aol.com Subject: Come On Up.... It occured to me that people might be wondering what to serve their friends (in moderation, of course!) before the concert, as they're sitting in the parking lot, mebbe playing the new album, or on line for the GA seats, etc. And so, i pass along this suggestion of good taste, and, well, a certain appropriateness...... The Hochheimer Holle Riesling Kabinett from the 2001 vintage is a superb achievement from this estate, displaying all that is right when conditions are favorable in the Rheingau. It is a wine of extreme intensity, with a balance of charm and sophistication. Subtle hints of baked apple, weathered stone can be found in the delightful bouquet, while the high-toned, spicy flavor offers wonderful fruity notes of tangerine, lime and strawberry, with a dash of invigorating crispiness in the finish. Drink this beauty now or enjoy it over the next several years. Come on up for the Riesling, come on up for the Riesling wine. A votre sante, Johnno in NJ (¢: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Subject: Help stop Ticket Scalping! Hi all, I was one of many fans here in the Tri-State area who was shut out by Ticketmaster from the NJ, NY and Philly shows. A group of us has gotten together and we are hoping to make changes in the current ticket selling system. If anyone here would like to join our Anti-Ticket Scalping forum, email me at: njboss55@yahoo.com I will then send you an invitation... or you can subscribe to: SpringsteenAntiScalping-forum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com We're putting together our petition that we will take to The Stone Pony in Asbury Park to collect patron signatures. We're working on an online one as well, for those of you who are out of state and can't attend. All of this will be presented to the Attorney Generals office and the local congressional members in each state. We are looking into a non profit coalition status for ourselves. We have been in touch with the folks who worked with Pearl Jam a few years ago in their attempts to fight Ticketmaster. We are trying to learn from their mistakes and hopefully thru unity we will be a stronger cause. Laws need to be put in place for every state to deal with this as well as the scalpers on the street and the ones online. I've been speaking with my niece who is a lawyer (down in DC at the moment, taking a job in corporate law in NY this month) and she is trying to gather some more info for me. We are hoping to not only have Ticketmaster investigated, but also a number of ticket brokers as well....We all need to make noise together!!! Get involved!!!! Strength in numbers.... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:33:46 -0700 From: "Steve Rapport" Subject: Counting Crows/Thunder Road Haven't seen this posted before, but... I just downloaded a bunch of Counting Crows songs from their live radio show at Irving Plaza, NYC a couple of months ago. These songs are posted on an official 'secret' Crows' web site, for people who buy the U.S. version of their Hard Candy CD. Anyway, I was listening to their 8-minute version of Rain King, when suddenly Adam Duritz starts singing, "Screen door slams, Mary's dress waves...," which surprised the hell out of me. He goes on to sing a pretty complete version of Thunder Road!!! Of course, Adam sings it in his own inimitable style (ie without too much of the original tune), but even so... Counting Crows have been one of my favourite bands for many years (originally partly because they invoked the spirit of The Band in their music). And now Thunder Road appears from out of the blue on one of their songs. Whatever next? (actually, next was a snippet of Oasis' Live Forever as the intro to Long December, but that's another story). - - SteveR "it ain't no sin to be glad you're alive" [text/html attachment deleted] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:49:17 -0500 From: Barry Kaplovitz Subject: Care To Revisit That Ticket Pricing Debate, Luckytowners? Anybody on Luckytown care to revisit that debate as to whether Bruce Springsteen isn't easily the most ethical (indeed, the most principled by far) major rock performer out there ... ? Just read about the buccaneer capitalism being practiced by the so-called "World's Greatest Rock'n'Roll Band" (aided and abetted by ... the "socially-conscientious" Dave Mathews Band's management!) ... I'll take Jon Landau and Barbara Carr any day ... even if they can't police each and every single eBay ripoff and/or arena dropline ... BK ========================================The Boston Globe September 2, 2002 Rock Fans Willing To Pay For 'Once-In-A-Lifetime' Concerts Brokers find market for premium tickets By Geoff Edgers, Globe Staff, 9/2/2002 Gerard Bonchack didn't camp out in line at the FleetCenter or skulk down an alley for a scalper to score the hottest ticket in town: opening night of the Rolling Stones. But when the band begins its world tour tomorrow, Bonchack will be in the third row. He bought a pair of seats to each of the three Boston gigs from an online dealer for $3,506. ''My wife really likes this band and I really like the band,'' says Bonchack, 37, who lives in Bedford. ''It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.'' Increasingly, fans like Bonchack are turning to the Internet - and paying inflated ticket prices - to see their favorite bands. The new ticket market has turned rock concerts into exclusive parties, where those willing to pay can get prime seats and a booty of band-related perks. In this arena, no ticket is unattainable. Even a seat to the Rolling Stones' rare club appearance Sept. 8 at the 2,800-seat Orpheum - reportedly sold-out within minutes on May 11 - last night was listing at $3,504 on one Internet site. (A ticket has a face value of $51.) And where in the past only scalpers cashed in on jacked-up prices, rock bands are starting to get a slice of the action. People who signed up for a $95 membership to the Rolling Stones fan club were given a chance to buy tickets a week before the general public. With those tickets snatched up, fans like Bonchack could make purchases on eBay through Musictoday.com Inc., a company founded by Dave Matthews Band manager Coran Capshaw and run out of the group's offices in Charlottesville, Va. The company has an exclusive deal with the Stones. ''The rock-and-roll community has grown older,'' says Gary Bongiovanni, editor-in-chief of the concert industry trade publication Pollstar. ''Many of them are now doctors and stockbrokers and driving BMWs. They still like the same music, more or less, but their attitudes about money and authority have changed to the point that Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young can be sponsored by American Express and sell $100 tickets.'' Or, in the case of the Stones, sell seats for six times that amount. But Musictoday insists that it isn't selling just a ticket. ''We're selling the ultimate live music experience,'' says Andrew Snowhite, vice president of business development. That means Bonchack and his wife's $3,506 package will include a numbered lithograph of the Rolling Stones, special laminated passes, and invitations to parties after the shows at the FleetCenter, Gillette Stadium, and the Orpheum. They will be joined by the 200 other fans who have been willing to pay for the package, feasting on hors d'oeuvres and an open bar in a room decorated with vintage reproductions of Rolling Stones concert posters. Mick Jagger won't show up to mingle, but two lucky partygoers will win a chance to meet members of the band. For Bonchack, this might be a once-in-a-lifetime experience. But Bongiovanni sees the package as something else: a sign of desperation. With fewer people going to rock concerts, bands must charge more to the diehards, effectively pricing out potential new fans. The average ticket price for top touring acts, $32.71 in 1998, was more than $50 during the first half of 2002. Pollstar's midyear report shows that while revenue is up $30 million over last year for the top 50 tours in North America (for a total of $538.2 million), the number of tickets is down, by 300,000, to 10.6 million sold. ''That cannot be healthy for the marketplace,'' says Bongiovanni. Even as Musictoday.com works to take money back from scalpers, many unauthorized dealers are cropping up on the Internet. Massachusetts laws require tickets be resold for virtually no more than face value. But resale laws vary from state to state. In many cases, that means a ticket to an event in Massachusetts can be sold legally for much more than face value - provided the seller is from a state that allows the transaction. That clears the way for Alfred Monsalvatge, president of TravelMasters Sports & Entertainment in Augusta, Ga., whose Internet site has listed tickets to the Orpheum show for as much as $3,900 a seat. Monsalvatge said he shares his site with dozens of other brokers. The Orpheum tickets, for example, belong to another dealer, he said. He wouldn't say how the seats were acquired; there is no arrangement with the band. He also doubts the tickets will sell, at least at what they're now listed. ''Nobody will buy them,'' he said in mid-August. ''Who's going to pay $3,900 to see the Rolling Stones? What'll happen is that those seats will be substantially discounted or they'll be empty.'' Monsalvatge was right. By this week, the top price was down to $3,504 a ticket. There are other ways to circumvent the law, such as selling tickets online by masking them as giveaways. For example, a copy of the Stones' CD ''Rock and Roll Circus,'' which lists on Amazon.com for $14.99, was being sold with a ''free'' ticket to the Orpheum show, provided bidding went over $200. The sale closed at $861.01 last week. Officials from the state attorney general's office and Department of Public Safety, which regulate ticket sales, say they do not have time to search out scalpers. They generally only investigate a seller after a complaint. They won't get one from Paul Gomberg. He's a real estate developer from Houston who has seen every Stones opening night since 1975. Back then, he would get a group of buddies together and line up outside a concert hall to get tickets. In the '80s, when ticket brokers became more prominent, he headed to the library, searched phone books in the city the Stones were playing and found an agency selling tickets. Now, he just uses the Internet. He tried in May to buy his tickets the standard way, through Ticketmaster's online site. But he sat in front of his computer, clicking for an hour, without success. Then he spotted the tickets on eBay and put in his bid. The dealer, he says, is from Massachusetts, which means the seller could be violating local resale laws. (The dealer did not respond to e-mail interview requests.) ''It didn't seem like too much,'' said Gomberg, who paid $1,250 for two seats to the FleetCenter show. ''I wanted to sit up close and I didn't want the hassle of calling 10 different brokers. Some online agencies were advertising a pair for $2,400. ''I actually feel I got a good deal,'' he adds. ''At least that's what I'm telling myself.'' Geoff Edgers can be reached at gedgers@globe.com This story ran on page A1 of the Boston Globe on 9/2/2002. 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